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[Arkav]

Hello there people,
I wanted to let you know that at the moment we are holding a photgraphy contest at my other community (FF)

You can see the details (and post your entries) here:
http://www.forcefighters.com/public/forum/index.php?topic=4006

I'd be happy to see you partecipate to it.

If some of you are interested,
let's do something, so that this can be a positive thing for JCYouth community aswell:
I still need you to post your entries on FF because the final voting poll to decide the winner will be made there, but we can still use this topic here to show the pictures you entered for the contest and discuss about them

I will try to check this as often as possible and give you feedbacks.
I hope to see some entries coming 

[Rebekia]

I'm interested, but curious what the theme is. I guess I could click on that link....

[Rebekia]

Okay so pretty much whatever tickles our fancy, but what do JCY members get for a win? I don't think force points will thrill us

[Arkav]

Indeed, you're right.
Winners from here can get a custom designed banner/badge that declares them as winners of that contest.
And anyway the winner will be declared even here, it's meant to be a sort of cooperation if possible, so there will also be a nice announcement on JCY about the winner if the winner is from here. 
If this goes well we can also think of future projects like this to hold on JCY

[RAVENOUS]

For those who are interested in performing Adobe Photoshop type feats without spending $300+ dollars, check out GIMP:

http://www.gimp.org/

It is an open source project that produces results like Adobe Photoshop, but its free to use and give away to friends/family/llamas. It supports Linux, Windows, and Mac operating systems and is used by many professional companies.

Peace

[Rebekia]

Wow, it kinda looks like it even has Bridge plugged into it too? (from the screen shots) It actually looks more user friendly than PS. Nice. Thanks for sharing.

Trying to find where it talks about how much hd space it takes up compared to PS since space is a real issue for me with my wimpy 27gb hd ...not finding this.

[RAVENOUS]

Wow, it kinda looks like it even has Bridge plugged into it too? (from the screen shots) It actually looks more user friendly than PS. Nice. Thanks for sharing.

Trying to find where it talks about how much hd space it takes up compared to PS since space is a real issue for me with my wimpy 27gb hd ...not finding this.

Not sure of the install size, but what I know about that is that the program comes with a variety of Linux Install CDs which are only 600ish MB big total. That's with Linux, Linux Applications, AND GIMP on the same CD. From what I know it takes up about 140 MB on the Ubuntu 9.10 install disk. Other than that, I don't know the installed size. Usually open source projects are much smaller than proprietary ones (take Firefox vs IE size for example).

Yes, people say GIMP is more user friendly even for the amateur, but I don't use it much for image editing because I don't do image editing. It has a variety of free plug-ins available too. *Shrug* It's free so there's no harm in just testing it out to see.

Peace

[Rebekia]

Ya, I'll try to download it and see how much space it says it'll need. :/ I did go buy a 1TB hd when black friday was goin on for a good price which has come in handy for storing stuff that doesn't fit on my computer (esp with my new camera making massive file sized images). I have 800mb of available space. Hate that. And I've cleaned out almost every song I have on here. But its a pain to store stuff on external drives. I wish linux would work on my mac. that would probably solve a lot of storage issues. Well, thanks for the tip off for gimp. Gonna test it out to see if i like it better than PSelements.

[RAVENOUS]

Ya, I'll try to download it and see how much space it says it'll need. :/ I did go buy a 1TB hd when black friday was goin on for a good price which has come in handy for storing stuff that doesn't fit on my computer (esp with my new camera making massive file sized images). I have 800mb of available space. Hate that. And I've cleaned out almost every song I have on here. But its a pain to store stuff on external drives. I wish linux would work on my mac. that would probably solve a lot of storage issues. Well, thanks for the tip off for gimp. Gonna test it out to see if i like it better than PSelements.

Linux works on both PC and Mac. It can even be installed side by side with your regular Mac OSX. I use Ubuntu regularly and the whole system uses under 4 gigs of a hard drive. My hard drives in my laptops don't have an operating system on them because I have my whole operating system installed on a thumb drive that I take with me wherever I'm at. The hard drives are just purely storage basically. If you lived nearby I would install linux to your 1TB external so that whenever you started up your Mac, it would ask you if you want to use Mac OSX or Linux, and you'd still be able to use your files no matter which operating system you used when you had the External plugged in.

Yesterday Jessica asked me why her .RAW files (you know, hi definition camera files) wouldn't display on my linux computer (I uninstalled photo editing applications because I don't use them), so I went to Ubuntu's "Ubuntu Software Center" and browsed through the HUGE collection of free software looking for a .RAW image converter (she wanted to convert them to .jpg), and we ended up downloading 4 different RAW converter applications looking for the right one (one that has the best looking guided user interface). Downloading and installing took all of 3 minutes, it's all automated so all that you do is click a little check box that tells the computer you want to install what you checked. Then it immediately starts, and when its done a small box pops up and says "blahblahblah is installed and ready to use". No restarting, no messing with uber hard install options, it's just done.

Linux and MacOSX share similar roots so the system might be a little bit more familiar to you than Windows, though it uses some windows stuff if you want (like...the RIGHT CLICK lol). They're both based off UNIX (and no for all of you out there who say OSX is pure UNIX, you're wrong. The small foundation is UNIX based, but the upper engineering is pure Apple "in house" development), even Linux was originally branded "UNIX-Like" hence "Like-UNIX" which equals "Li-nux" (no one argue "Linus" stuff please, this is easier).

You really don't even have to have linux installed on your Mac to even use it. Just have the Live CD installed on a thumb drive or a CD and it runs from that. I think I'll make you one and send it to you for you to try. (The live CD even comes with GIMP installed to it)

Peace!

[Rebekia]

If you lived nearby I would install linux to your 1TB external so that whenever you started up your Mac, it would ask you if you want to use Mac OSX or Linux, and you'd still be able to use your files no matter which operating system you used when you had the External plugged in.

That'd be handy. I need a computer geek nearby (with patience). So it'd act as if my HD space is running soley off of the 1tb instead of the 27gigs? That'd be oh so nice. Seems like it'd make things run smoother. Did I use linux on your toshiba? Was that the OS system on that comp? Trying to figure out the style/handling...

Ya, I had the same issue with my new cameras NEF/RAW setting not reading the files in a lot of my image software I have. :/ Made me nervous at first because I had shot someones Senior photos on that setting. I had to go over to a friends house and borrow PS on their comp to open the files. (but the nef/raw captures color so much more vibrantly) What'd you end up picking?

You really don't even have to have linux installed on your Mac to even use it. Just have the Live CD installed on a thumb drive or a CD and it runs from that. I think I'll make you one and send it to you for you to try. (The live CD even comes with GIMP installed to it)

That'd be great, thanks. I knew it was a smaller OS, didn't realize it'd fit on a thumb drive or cd though. So I can stick the cd in my mac and I don't install it on my mac, I just run my whole OS off of the cd? mind boggling.

[RAVENOUS]

If you lived nearby I would install linux to your 1TB external so that whenever you started up your Mac, it would ask you if you want to use Mac OSX or Linux, and you'd still be able to use your files no matter which operating system you used when you had the External plugged in.

That'd be handy. I need a computer geek nearby (with patience). So it'd act as if my HD space is running soley off of the 1tb instead of the 27gigs? That'd be oh so nice. Seems like it'd make things run smoother. Did I use linux on your toshiba? Was that the OS system on that comp? Trying to figure out the style/handling...

Ya, I had the same issue with my new cameras NEF/RAW setting not reading the files in a lot of my image software I have. :/ Made me nervous at first because I had shot someones Senior photos on that setting. I had to go over to a friends house and borrow PS on their comp to open the files. (but the nef/raw captures color so much more vibrantly) What'd you end up picking?

Well, what I'd do is install it to the 1TB (it's like, a 5GB install altogether) and it will only ask you if you want to pick between Linux and Mac when you have it plugged it when you power up your laptop. If your laptop is already on, it doesn't even ask so you don't get bothered with the question.

IF you restart with the 1 TB drive inserted and you pick "boot option" or whatever the Mac equivilent is, it will ask you what you want to use, either Mac or Linux. THEN you can browse your files on your 27g and 1TB by simply double clicking the "27GB Drive" or "1 TB Drive". What it does is it "mounts" it. For a visual, think of a horse (the horse is Linux lol). Now think of each of those hard drives as a cowboy. When you "mount" a drive, it's simply a cowboy getting in the saddle.

I forget which one was eventually picked, but I think it was Darkroom [http://cberger.net/Programs/Darkroom/Screenshots.html]. I dunno. Went through one brain cell and out the other.

You really don't even have to have linux installed on your Mac to even use it. Just have the Live CD installed on a thumb drive or a CD and it runs from that. I think I'll make you one and send it to you for you to try. (The live CD even comes with GIMP installed to it)

That'd be great, thanks. I knew it was a smaller OS, didn't realize it'd fit on a thumb drive or cd though. So I can stick the cd in my mac and I don't install it on my mac, I just run my whole OS off of the cd? mind boggling.

Yes, that's pretty much it. Plug it in, when you press the power button on your Mac you just pick "boot options" or whatever is the equivalent, and Linux automatically detects that you have a Mac. It then loads up the required files and then sets your desktop resolution, and zip-bang-doodle, you have a desktop and stuff. It gives the option to install, but all you have to do is run it like it is to get most of the same benefit (it runs faster when installed, but doesn't lag with the LiveCD...well shouldn't anyways).

Peace

[Rebekia]

Rav - Awesome. Now i wanna try it right this moment! I really want to see if I like it and it works better for me. I'm so frustrated with my laptop I need workable space and not sure what else to dump.

Arkav - is there a place we can see the entries? Who is judging?

[RAVENOUS]

If you don't feel like waiting, and you have a spare burnable CD laying around download this:

http://mirror.anl.gov/pub/ubuntu-iso/CDs/9.10/ubuntu-9.10-desktop-i386.iso

then follow these instructions:

https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BurningIsoHowto#Mac%20OS%20X

Once it is done, restart your computer with the CD in the tray and tell your mac to look for an alternate boot source. Usually this is pressing one of the F-something keys. Like F9 or F12 (for PC). If you can't find it, ask around.

Peace

[Rebekia]

>.<

Ehh..it's telling me i have no space to save this onto my desktop.  i can wait for your cd i guess....

a gov site? Hmm

Does anyone know if mac stores hidden cache someplace i'm supposed to be wiping out? maybe thats whats eating up room

[RAVENOUS]

...lol. If you had bought a small USB drive, I'd say just swap it out and have a 27 gig external with a 1 TB hard drive, but the Hard Drive is prolly a big one huh? Again if you lived nearby I'd do this for free, easy peasy. I just recently bought two 250 gig hard drives from wal-mart and installed Windows 7 on one, and Linux on the other, and I boot up into either one when I want. This means I have two extra hard drives that could be used. (I have 10 spare hard drives laying around, each over 100 gigs) You could have one if you lived nearby lol.

I'll make a LiveCD for you.

Peace

[Rebekia]

...lol. If you had bought a small USB drive, I'd say just swap it out and have a 27 gig external with a 1 TB hard drive, but the Hard Drive is prolly a big one huh?

Ya, it's a big black box with a glowing blue light. WDElements 1TB for $60 (please tell me that was a good deal) I'm not about to pop open the shell.  I would have no idea what to do with getting my hd out of my laptop and switching it. It would end badly. I was told though that switching out hd's in macs is tricky and very few people can do it so they charge an arm and a leg making it not worth the hd exchange.
 

Again if you lived nearby I'd do this for free, easy peasy.

(I have 10 spare hard drives laying around, each over 100 gigs) You could have one if you lived nearby lol.

Starting to see a common theme here..... I remember you showing me a flat board with lotsa wires that you said could be mine...(assuming that was a hd), but I cant remember what happened after that. I don't know if I realized that was an external hd or..could be used as one. (didn't have the black box with the glowing blue light)

...well, if you lived nearby, I'd let you switch out hd's for free and give me more gigs (or more likely swap - my food for your brain. only fair)

I'll make a LiveCD for you.

Thank you.

[RAVENOUS]

Ya, it's a big black box with a glowing blue light. WDElements 1TB for $60 (please tell me that was a good deal) I'm not about to pop open the shell.

Yes, good deal. Wish I had access to the same kind of deal.

I would have no idea what to do with getting my hd out of my laptop and switching it. It would end badly. I was told though that switching out hd's in macs is tricky and very few people can do it so they charge an arm and a leg making it not worth the hd exchange.

What's the best way to make a consumer come to you and give you more money? Tell them that doing it yourself is too hard and complicated.

Number of Macs (laptops/desktops) I've had a hand in swapping HDs out of that worked flawlessly afterwards: 5
As easy as PC laptops/desktops? Yes.
Are they liars who want your money? Yes.

The last one I did involved installing a 500G in a 120G Macbook Pro.

Under the hood, Mac and PC are a lot alike in my experience.

Peace

[Rebekia]

Ya, it's a big black box with a glowing blue light. WDElements 1TB for $60 (please tell me that was a good deal) I'm not about to pop open the shell.

Yes, good deal. Wish I had access to the same kind of deal.

Oh, good. Well, if you lived nearby.......

True, true. I hate that though...people should just be honest. If they want to rip me off, they should just tell me they're robbing me blind instead of lying to me to get my money.